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	<title>Comments on: Microsoft&#8217;s Project Pink Might Be Dead In The Water</title>
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		<title>By: KHAN!!!</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-454077</link>
		<dc:creator>KHAN!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft doesn&#039;t need to dominate every market. They are happy placing on the racetrack-not winning. MSFT is a numbers house, not an innovation shop, so expect them to copy innovators to collect some marketshare. The company has no pride in excellence and they have to make money selling the same crap over and over again. When they break into other markets, they basically act like Starbucks. Look for a local operator that is successful and steal their business. MSFT just steals ideas and delivers a bad product to people who  are conditioned to suffer and don&#039;t know any better. The place is overrun by thin-skinned Project Managers and political hacks that would make the RNC proud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft doesn&#8217;t need to dominate every market. They are happy placing on the racetrack-not winning. MSFT is a numbers house, not an innovation shop, so expect them to copy innovators to collect some marketshare. The company has no pride in excellence and they have to make money selling the same crap over and over again. When they break into other markets, they basically act like Starbucks. Look for a local operator that is successful and steal their business. MSFT just steals ideas and delivers a bad product to people who  are conditioned to suffer and don&#8217;t know any better. The place is overrun by thin-skinned Project Managers and political hacks that would make the RNC proud.</p>
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		<title>By: chanur</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453516</link>
		<dc:creator>chanur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Khan-

you predicted the future.  Kudos, of some sort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Khan-</p>
<p>you predicted the future.  Kudos, of some sort.</p>
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		<title>By: chanur</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453515</link>
		<dc:creator>chanur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 21:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert wrote:
&quot;Sounds as if they purchased the company to kill competition. Surely not even Microsoft could fuck up the successful work Sidekick produced.&quot;

Ah, the irony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert wrote:<br />
&#8220;Sounds as if they purchased the company to kill competition. Surely not even Microsoft could fuck up the successful work Sidekick produced.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah, the irony.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453439</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LMAO, Steve Buscemi can fix anything...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO, Steve Buscemi can fix anything&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453438</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ummmm, the Zune is garbage, always has been , since way back when the first poop colored brick came out, to now, with the failed iPod touch copy. 

Highly doubtful that a Zune Phone would be any good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ummmm, the Zune is garbage, always has been , since way back when the first poop colored brick came out, to now, with the failed iPod touch copy. </p>
<p>Highly doubtful that a Zune Phone would be any good.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453437</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why am I not surprised. This is just another example of why Microsoft should just stick to computers, everything else just sucks,and their computers aren&#039;t much better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why am I not surprised. This is just another example of why Microsoft should just stick to computers, everything else just sucks,and their computers aren&#8217;t much better.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453435</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apple had an operating system project by that name in the 90&#039;s. It, too, failed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apple had an operating system project by that name in the 90&#8217;s. It, too, failed.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert II</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453428</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert II</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And just five days later, they did...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And just five days later, they did&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453426</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamranhansenhansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should Microsoft even be in the hardware business? They have no expertise in making devices. Half of their Xbox units had to be warranty repaired.

Microsoft bet the company on Windows Eveywhere but it has certainly not happened that way. XP is incompatible with Vista and 7 and Mobile 6.5 and Mobile 7 and now Mobile 8 is being talked about as &quot;NT-based&quot; that is going to happen a full 10 years after Apple as usual. Apple is running OS X in the iPod for years now for crying out loud.

Microsoft&#039;s unique horizontal integration just cannot move fast enough for today&#039;s world. By the time their hardware partners and their various divisions all get onto the same page, the era has passed. They are so monopoly fat that they can&#039;t outcompete themselves from 2001 that is why XP still rules the Windows platform.

Meanwhile, Microsoft are not making iPhone apps, they&#039;re not making Blackberry apps, just to spite those manufacturers. They should have invented Google Wave years ago for office users instead of 8 years of trying to replace XP and nothing to show for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should Microsoft even be in the hardware business? They have no expertise in making devices. Half of their Xbox units had to be warranty repaired.</p>
<p>Microsoft bet the company on Windows Eveywhere but it has certainly not happened that way. XP is incompatible with Vista and 7 and Mobile 6.5 and Mobile 7 and now Mobile 8 is being talked about as &#8220;NT-based&#8221; that is going to happen a full 10 years after Apple as usual. Apple is running OS X in the iPod for years now for crying out loud.</p>
<p>Microsoft&#8217;s unique horizontal integration just cannot move fast enough for today&#8217;s world. By the time their hardware partners and their various divisions all get onto the same page, the era has passed. They are so monopoly fat that they can&#8217;t outcompete themselves from 2001 that is why XP still rules the Windows platform.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Microsoft are not making iPhone apps, they&#8217;re not making Blackberry apps, just to spite those manufacturers. They should have invented Google Wave years ago for office users instead of 8 years of trying to replace XP and nothing to show for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ex-Danger</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453390</link>
		<dc:creator>Ex-Danger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d agree with your list of key Danger folks.

But almost all of those had left before time MS did the acquisition -- years of shitty management &amp; no vision beyond more feature creep on Matias&#039;s original design.

Baffled me at the time what MS was paying $500 million for, and I guess we now know the answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d agree with your list of key Danger folks.</p>
<p>But almost all of those had left before time MS did the acquisition &#8212; years of shitty management &amp; no vision beyond more feature creep on Matias&#8217;s original design.</p>
<p>Baffled me at the time what MS was paying $500 million for, and I guess we now know the answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Morse</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453369</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Morse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 23:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard that J Allard is cranking up a new mobile team.  They hope to get it right this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard that J Allard is cranking up a new mobile team.  They hope to get it right this time.</p>
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		<title>By: KHAN!!!</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453361</link>
		<dc:creator>KHAN!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best part of the link above is that Microscam has been ripping TMobile off since the acquisition. Essentially pretending to maintain the service and software upgrades with some offshore hackers in the Ukraine. The cost cutting measure is probably costing Ho Ho 200 times more. I bet TMobile files a lawsuit for fraud. Imagine, Ho Ho could upset that many players in the industry and still fail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best part of the link above is that Microscam has been ripping TMobile off since the acquisition. Essentially pretending to maintain the service and software upgrades with some offshore hackers in the Ukraine. The cost cutting measure is probably costing Ho Ho 200 times more. I bet TMobile files a lawsuit for fraud. Imagine, Ho Ho could upset that many players in the industry and still fail</p>
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		<title>By: Master</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453353</link>
		<dc:creator>Master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, EVERYTHING in the above post IS TRUE.
@Michael you need to write a follow on post on this. It is a BIG news.

I still hold a soft corner for MSFT. It gave so much to software industry early on.

There is substantial lack of business ethics inside MSFT as well as complete lack of business understanding now.

I did some research on Linkedin. There are significant folks who left PME project recently. Some of them joined Netflix, Apple and Google.
 
Value the emp while they are there. There is a reason why folks from Danger left in last few months. I am sure the leak came from some of these. I am told that the veterans in the PME team treated the Danger folks with less than 0 value. That is the reason they left.

I hope there is a realization in MSFT old guards to accept new folks and respect them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, EVERYTHING in the above post IS TRUE.<br />
@Michael you need to write a follow on post on this. It is a BIG news.</p>
<p>I still hold a soft corner for MSFT. It gave so much to software industry early on.</p>
<p>There is substantial lack of business ethics inside MSFT as well as complete lack of business understanding now.</p>
<p>I did some research on Linkedin. There are significant folks who left PME project recently. Some of them joined Netflix, Apple and Google.</p>
<p>Value the emp while they are there. There is a reason why folks from Danger left in last few months. I am sure the leak came from some of these. I am told that the veterans in the PME team treated the Danger folks with less than 0 value. That is the reason they left.</p>
<p>I hope there is a realization in MSFT old guards to accept new folks and respect them.</p>
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		<title>By: franky</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453337</link>
		<dc:creator>franky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 16:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thats funny shiz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thats funny shiz</p>
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		<title>By: Jon T</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453310</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the latest on this saga at RDM:

http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/09/exclusive-pink-danger-leaks-from-microsofts-windows-phone/

Quite incredible. Microsoft is becoming a shambles.

One wonders how far away the meltdown is...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the latest on this saga at RDM:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/09/exclusive-pink-danger-leaks-from-microsofts-windows-phone/" rel="nofollow">http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2009/10/09/exclusive-pink-danger-leaks-from-microsofts-windows-phone/</a></p>
<p>Quite incredible. Microsoft is becoming a shambles.</p>
<p>One wonders how far away the meltdown is&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: KHAN!!!</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453167</link>
		<dc:creator>KHAN!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the service wiped the data, then the only place the data is stored(and not all of it) is on the sidekick hardware. If you lose your kick,run out of battery, hard reset or pull battery to get at an SD card or something all the data is lost.
Now, I thought it was supposed to be the other way around!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the service wiped the data, then the only place the data is stored(and not all of it) is on the sidekick hardware. If you lose your kick,run out of battery, hard reset or pull battery to get at an SD card or something all the data is lost.<br />
Now, I thought it was supposed to be the other way around!</p>
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		<title>By: Calamity Jane</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453145</link>
		<dc:creator>Calamity Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coupa Cafe sez:

Microsoft apparently retained literally zero Danger talent. Last night&#039;s meeting must have been vicious, because at MIDNIGHT they called around and got three ex-dangerites (CJ, DJ, &amp; MJ) to come in (from Netflix). They had no one in house who understood &quot;device or service&quot;. They laid off service team and offshored to Ukrane.  Strangely, all three guys came in and worked all night and fixed something important.

Apparently OPS kept ZERO backups and upgraded SAN wiping ALL DATA. Last night&#039;s heroics only restores SOME data.

Don&#039;t know if those three are the real brains or just the only guys not working for a competing phone developer.  &quot;Device&quot; people mostly went to Android or Palm, &quot;Service&quot; people to Netflix.

Laying off the service people makes me think they didn&#039;t want the service features (patents) either. Claim is MSFT *management* wanted Danger to rescue Pink, but Pink team resented interference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coupa Cafe sez:</p>
<p>Microsoft apparently retained literally zero Danger talent. Last night&#8217;s meeting must have been vicious, because at MIDNIGHT they called around and got three ex-dangerites (CJ, DJ, &amp; MJ) to come in (from Netflix). They had no one in house who understood &#8220;device or service&#8221;. They laid off service team and offshored to Ukrane.  Strangely, all three guys came in and worked all night and fixed something important.</p>
<p>Apparently OPS kept ZERO backups and upgraded SAN wiping ALL DATA. Last night&#8217;s heroics only restores SOME data.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know if those three are the real brains or just the only guys not working for a competing phone developer.  &#8220;Device&#8221; people mostly went to Android or Palm, &#8220;Service&#8221; people to Netflix.</p>
<p>Laying off the service people makes me think they didn&#8217;t want the service features (patents) either. Claim is MSFT *management* wanted Danger to rescue Pink, but Pink team resented interference.</p>
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		<title>By: Master</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453059</link>
		<dc:creator>Master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no way out till WM goes out of CE core. I hope folks know that CE is the core OS and WM is the phone part on top of CE.

The WM7 is still CE based. Fortunately it is the last one. Then WM8 is NT based (whatever that means).
This info is from OEMs who were shown a roadmap recently. They hate it. They will have to wait beyond 2011 for WM8 while others advance.

Microsoft still thinks that they will win usual game of coming late/second and then lasting others till they win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no way out till WM goes out of CE core. I hope folks know that CE is the core OS and WM is the phone part on top of CE.</p>
<p>The WM7 is still CE based. Fortunately it is the last one. Then WM8 is NT based (whatever that means).<br />
This info is from OEMs who were shown a roadmap recently. They hate it. They will have to wait beyond 2011 for WM8 while others advance.</p>
<p>Microsoft still thinks that they will win usual game of coming late/second and then lasting others till they win.</p>
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		<title>By: Master</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453058</link>
		<dc:creator>Master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is- Are these two phones likable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is- Are these two phones likable?</p>
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		<title>By: Master</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453057</link>
		<dc:creator>Master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW,
what happened to old CEO?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW,<br />
what happened to old CEO?</p>
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		<title>By: Master</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453056</link>
		<dc:creator>Master</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These comments are very bitter. 
Who are the carriers for these phones?
I wonder what they must be thinking. These pink phones are looking bad as compared to the new Android phones we are getting this Winter and next summer.

I like MSFT recent products but the sentiment here at least is bad about the pink project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These comments are very bitter.<br />
Who are the carriers for these phones?<br />
I wonder what they must be thinking. These pink phones are looking bad as compared to the new Android phones we are getting this Winter and next summer.</p>
<p>I like MSFT recent products but the sentiment here at least is bad about the pink project.</p>
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		<title>By: KHAN!!!</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453042</link>
		<dc:creator>KHAN!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is right. The proxies for IM are patented by Danger. Microsoft paid big for those proxie patents for 3 reasons:
-Prevent Apple and Google from having a good IM client
-Sue Google for infringement of said patents(because Danger didn&#039;t have the nuts to)
-Maybe, just maybe launch a phone to support their intent to use the patent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is right. The proxies for IM are patented by Danger. Microsoft paid big for those proxie patents for 3 reasons:<br />
-Prevent Apple and Google from having a good IM client<br />
-Sue Google for infringement of said patents(because Danger didn&#8217;t have the nuts to)<br />
-Maybe, just maybe launch a phone to support their intent to use the patent</p>
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		<title>By: KHAN!!!</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-453041</link>
		<dc:creator>KHAN!!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 23:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>500 million was nothing to Microsoft 1.5 years ago. It&#039;s chump change and possible IP grab</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>500 million was nothing to Microsoft 1.5 years ago. It&#8217;s chump change and possible IP grab</p>
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		<title>By: Calamity Jane</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-452991</link>
		<dc:creator>Calamity Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Clever&quot; Googling (&quot;site:linkedin.com/in/ Danger-inc&quot;  etc.) suggests the top danger talent included: { Andy Rubin, Brian Swetland, Chris DeSalvo, Dan Bornstein } =&gt; Android =&gt; Google; { Jeff Bush, Mattias Duarte } =&gt; Palm (Apple?); { Tony Myles } =&gt; VUDU =&gt; Ridiculous; Steve Hales =&gt; Apple =&gt; TribalBrands

Microsoft seems to have retained founders Britt and Hershenson; it&#039;s hard to find anyone else who seems significant.

If you can reach many of these people through your social networks, you&#039;ll find that: MSFT had an entrenched Pink team who shut danger personnel out of contributing, the remaining ones quit (except of course for those desperate to remain employed, who aren&#039;t the good ones); MSFT doesn&#039;t use their for-sale products internally, they use ten-or-twenty-year-old branches of their products that have added feature not in the public product so they can&#039;t switch AND they don&#039;t invest in maintaining them. Their source control, their build system, and their builds are broken and obscenely slow. So it is unpleasant to move from out-of-microsoft to in.  Even internally, MSFT substitutes P.R. &amp; Marketing for fixing problems.

Danger integration was ordered at high level but not supported by mid-level managers (Roz Ho, etc.) and failed.

Danger services have been down for a week because MSFT out-sourced support to asia and those guys didn&#039;t make backups before doing hardware maintenance.

Other speculation is that the entire half-bill purchase was to acquire patents Android is already in violation of.

Most telling is that in the middle of recession (one year anniversary) several senior engineers quit without having other jobs lined up.

Majority opinion is that original comments are bitter and just over half accurate, and pictures are long obsolete.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Clever&#8221; Googling (&#8220;site:linkedin.com/in/ Danger-inc&#8221;  etc.) suggests the top danger talent included: { Andy Rubin, Brian Swetland, Chris DeSalvo, Dan Bornstein } =&gt; Android =&gt; Google; { Jeff Bush, Mattias Duarte } =&gt; Palm (Apple?); { Tony Myles } =&gt; VUDU =&gt; Ridiculous; Steve Hales =&gt; Apple =&gt; TribalBrands</p>
<p>Microsoft seems to have retained founders Britt and Hershenson; it&#8217;s hard to find anyone else who seems significant.</p>
<p>If you can reach many of these people through your social networks, you&#8217;ll find that: MSFT had an entrenched Pink team who shut danger personnel out of contributing, the remaining ones quit (except of course for those desperate to remain employed, who aren&#8217;t the good ones); MSFT doesn&#8217;t use their for-sale products internally, they use ten-or-twenty-year-old branches of their products that have added feature not in the public product so they can&#8217;t switch AND they don&#8217;t invest in maintaining them. Their source control, their build system, and their builds are broken and obscenely slow. So it is unpleasant to move from out-of-microsoft to in.  Even internally, MSFT substitutes P.R. &amp; Marketing for fixing problems.</p>
<p>Danger integration was ordered at high level but not supported by mid-level managers (Roz Ho, etc.) and failed.</p>
<p>Danger services have been down for a week because MSFT out-sourced support to asia and those guys didn&#8217;t make backups before doing hardware maintenance.</p>
<p>Other speculation is that the entire half-bill purchase was to acquire patents Android is already in violation of.</p>
<p>Most telling is that in the middle of recession (one year anniversary) several senior engineers quit without having other jobs lined up.</p>
<p>Majority opinion is that original comments are bitter and just over half accurate, and pictures are long obsolete.</p>
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		<title>By: none</title>
		<link>http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/10/05/microsofts-project-pink-might-be-dead-in-the-water/comment-page-1/#comment-452962</link>
		<dc:creator>none</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and gmail leak and yahoo leak? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and gmail leak and yahoo leak? :)</p>
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